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wuffingas saxon
January 16th, 2008, 17:42
There is so much on DDP here that I hope you will forgive any duplication;

As many of you will know DDP has changed; the headline is no starters (appetisers) and tips not included on the basic plan.

We have just come back from POR after 10 days on DDP and found the effects to be rather more wide reaching than this

First staff seem to hate the new plans and think they are too complicated.

Second WDW do not seem to be honouring old DDPs. We checked in on 29/12 and so we were on the old (3 courses + Tip) system but we were told that if we had checked in on or after 1/1 we would have been on the new plan notwithstanding that we had been sold the old one! There were plenty of guests checking in after 1/1 forming queues at reception in the resort complaining about how they were now having to buy unexpected starters and pay for (compulsory) tips.

Third snacks have been curtailed. This is now a single snack of less than $4 including taxes. Gone are boxes of donuts, turkey legs etc.

Fourth trading credits has gone. I gather that it was unofficial but tolerated policy to allow guests to exchange 1 CS for a couple of snacks or 1 TS for a couple of CS. That has all gone although you can apparently trade a CS for one snack (unofficially). How generous.

Fifth the computer system was a disaster. This may just be teething troubles but several times we were told that we did not have enough credits to pay for meals when we knew we did and consequently had to spend time on the phone sorting this out instead of enjoying our holiday. The best example was our last morning when our waitress at Park Fayre told us (rather rudely and insistently) that we had no credits for our breakfast. We knew we had enough and so ..back on the phone to be told we had something like 25 TS left (on our last day of a party of 4!!). We avoided the temptation to rush back and have more breakfasts and spent half an hour (time ticking away before flight home) sorting it out to the correct figure of 8. We than went into MK and decided to buy snacks to use up the rest of our (corrected) unused snack allowance and allow us a lunch at the airport. The shop assistant told us we had no snack credits left!! Aaarghh! On that occasion we simply did not have time to sort it out as we had a flight to catch and so left with about 8 unused snack credits.

Of all of these the biggest concern must be whether guests are getting what they paid for. If you booked an old style DDP how can WDW justify giving you something less than you ordered? Surely this should have been a phased introduction based on booking date. I cannot believe that with WDW resources this presents an insurmountable logistics/IT problem.

uscwest
January 16th, 2008, 18:15
Wow, what a nightmare. I'm sure you weren't the only ones whose booking spanned the dates from 2007-2008. Sorry to hear that you had such a hassle.

JuniorMickey
January 16th, 2008, 18:16
Sounds similar to problems when the program started.

OKWTink
January 16th, 2008, 19:14
Oh gosh, that's terrible. :( What a lot of patience you have! Thanks for the update. This is good information and hopefully, will save other members from some of the problems you had. (Or at least prepare them for it)!

rsvdaz
January 17th, 2008, 14:19
just so i am clear..you say there are no starters on the DDP?..what about deserts?

OKWTink
January 17th, 2008, 14:31
That is correct. No appetizers, but desserts are still on the program.

rsvdaz
January 17th, 2008, 14:39
.many thanks

is there an option to swap?

i have a savoury tooth more than a sweet on at least !

JuniorMickey
January 17th, 2008, 14:39
From what I've heard, you cannot change our a desert for an app :(

AlecK
January 17th, 2008, 15:06
There's no swapping because a lot of appetizers are more costly and more time consuming to make than deserts. Plus selling you the appetizers means they are on a winner if you are then too full for desert. :)

rsvdaz
January 17th, 2008, 15:10
very sneaky of them..and most deserts are probably straight out of the freezer too!

Indydisneyfan
January 17th, 2008, 16:52
I new the old DDP was going to change soon. We first used it back in 05 and considering all the food we ate my family saved about $550-$600 bucks over 8 days.

Do you all still think DDP is a good way to save money? We don't usually eat an appetizer but the entree and dessert will be comsumed. If any one on here goes soon, please keep a tab on all your meals and figure out how much you saved or didn't save and please post.

Too bad on your situation. I would have been on fire if this happened to me. Voices would have been heard. I do not have patience to deal with that kind of mess. Thumbs up to you for keeping your cool.

Tinker
January 17th, 2008, 21:03
Thanks for the heads up . I stay away from the DDP unless its free . I have the DDE card , so I pay for our meals and take the discount . If they release the FDDP, DH and I may do it , but I heard it will only be at moderate & deluxe resorts . We could have pre booked into value as a bounceback, but then I wasn't sure . I'm still not .

Rosie0610
January 17th, 2008, 22:06
I booked the bounceback free dining from last Sept trip. I know it's only January but I"m thinking about changing my reservations and getting a good rate off my room and not doing free dining. I'll have to monitor how things are going over the next few months.

Tinker
January 18th, 2008, 04:42
:yes: that is why I waited Rosie . This way if I go , I get AP on room rate . make a few ADR's for nice table service meals Chef Mickeys, Ohana's favorite places and then just eat counter or resort .

januk
January 18th, 2008, 09:51
Hi Guys
We've just returned and checked into Pop on 31/12 for 5 nights and paid for the 07 dining plan. We didn't have any problems with the computer not knowing about our credits, nor did they seem confused at any of our restaurants re: tips & appertizers being included - just asked to see the card to know when we checked in. Only problem was with the snack credits - since qwe didn't really need any extra food we decided we'd save them up and spend them all in goofy's candy co. at downtown disney when we asked 2 cast members in the shop what we could get we got the 'anything under $4' response so we made our selections and went to the till. Turns out nothing would ring through on the dining plan???? Understandably in light of the multiple family cookie boxes - but a 79c bag of pretzels?? Nothing would ring through so they said we'd have to contact our resort. In the end we ended up spending 12 snack credits in the pop food court and not really eating any of it which was a waste but we loved the plan and would definitely pay to have the new one - just because it's easier to have everything pre-paid - i'd worry about how much I was spending otherwise.

Bec
January 18th, 2008, 10:06
Thanks for updating us on the DDP. Its useful to know whats going on. I find this topic very interesting.

rsvdaz
January 18th, 2008, 15:33
what about the character meals/ shows where you use up 2 table service credits? do you get starters with them?

OKWTink
January 18th, 2008, 15:38
No. Appetizers are not included in any fashion. If you want them, you'll have to pay for them separately.

JuniorMickey
January 18th, 2008, 15:53
HDD has "apps" in the form of salad and rolls including in the flat rate, I believe the other shows are the same way.

Keith
January 18th, 2008, 15:54
No. Appetizers are not included in any fashion. If you want them, you'll have to pay for them separately.

Are you sure Tink?

I mean at the hoop dee doo or liberty tree tavern for example you get a salad to start with or something like that which would be included for sure in the DDP.

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick

JuniorMickey
January 18th, 2008, 15:58
You're right Keith. Those are "flat rate" meals though. If it's an "off the menu" course type place, there are no apps. So Shows, Family Style and Buffets can have apps but regular menu service do not

OKWTink
January 18th, 2008, 16:03
Right. Sorry to be confusing! :sorry: I was thinking "regular" full service restaurants, not specialty places or buffets of course.